tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post4316528936173959593..comments2023-09-25T04:24:45.407-05:00Comments on The M Blog: Is there still a need for missionaries in the major cities of Latin America?J. Guy Musehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-15453893482555424462010-10-11T13:11:54.281-05:002010-10-11T13:11:54.281-05:00Esteban,
Bien dicho! Couldn't have expressed ...Esteban,<br /><br />Bien dicho! Couldn't have expressed it better myself.J. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-22186772788539275482010-10-11T13:00:10.729-05:002010-10-11T13:00:10.729-05:00Guido,
Quizás nos toca desde el principio entrena...Guido,<br /><br />Quizás nos toca desde el principio entrenar cerrajeros y bomberos. Una falla común de los pioneros es olvidar hacer discípulos quienes pueden abrir puertas cerradas y apagar fuegos.<br /><br />EstebanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-55339619636453624782010-10-11T12:09:10.367-05:002010-10-11T12:09:10.367-05:00Stan,
You ask, "...can we identify the Fivef...Stan,<br /><br />You ask, <i>"...can we identify the Fivefold ministry presence? Has God raised up all Five among the nationals? If so, do any outsiders need to be present at all?"</i> That is one very excellent question! Along with Esteban's comment above, you have given me some good thought food to chew on for a while as we continue to try and discern the Lord's leading in these matters. Have you ever blogged on this topic? If so, I'd like to read more of your thoughts along these lines.J. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-66617787261705385482010-10-11T12:06:24.884-05:002010-10-11T12:06:24.884-05:00Esteban,
I like the idea you share about the misi...Esteban,<br /><br />I like the idea you share about the misisonary "locksmithing" new groups. But Ron Carothers gave us another analogy a few weeks ago out at Manglaralto that also rings true. If there is a big fire needing to be put out, is it the wisest thing for the fireman to try to put it out himself, or would he be more effective awakening 100 other firemen to come help him? Both analogies are true and illustrate the need for a both/and approach.<br /><br />BTW: I think you are probably one of the best M "locksmiths" out there. So I wouldn't want you to do anything different!J. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-35775026497457286312010-10-11T10:35:02.908-05:002010-10-11T10:35:02.908-05:00Interesting thoughts Guy!
I'd have to say we ...Interesting thoughts Guy!<br /><br />I'd have to say we cannot define the "task" without looking at the giftedness that is present and/or absent in any given location.<br /><br />My own giftedness requires that I understand my strengths and weaknesses and what other gifted people have to be around me for us to equip the saints of works of service.<br /><br />In the cities you cite can we identify the Fivefold ministry presence? Has God raised up all Five among the nationals? If so, do any outsiders need to be present at all? If not, can outsiders have a role until God raises up all five from within?<br /><br />Just another angle that we need to consider when thinking about the task and outside missionary presence.<br /><br />Blessings - StanStanhttp://www.rockymeadow.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-73327421154317413712010-10-10T17:27:17.632-05:002010-10-10T17:27:17.632-05:00Guido, You knew I was not going to ignore this one...Guido, You knew I was not going to ignore this one! Jeff Liverman says in Missions Frontiers Nov/Dec 2006 “Taking the gospel from where it is to where it isn’t is the essence of the apostolic task.”<br /><br />Ralph D. Winter on page 5 of the November-December 2002 issue of Missions-Frontiers says:<br /><br />"Here is one way to look at it: Anyone can open a door and walk through it, but only a locksmith can deal with a locked door. Missions is “locksmithing” new groups. Once the lock is open (a very special skill), expanding the number of churches is by comparison a relatively simple task."<br /><br />It is not a popular view with many of our Ms but I contend that Biblically the M task is the zero to one stuff of enterning new communities, making new disciples and starting new NT groups where previously there were very few or no believers or NT groups.<br /><br />Mobilization and connecting may be a part of that task but they are NOT the primary M task.<br /><br />Tu amigo,<br /><br />EstebanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com