tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post9094445045842768975..comments2023-09-25T04:24:45.407-05:00Comments on The M Blog: Church planting lessons learned along the wayJ. Guy Musehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-20655357329776484412010-12-20T21:13:44.799-05:002010-12-20T21:13:44.799-05:00Anon.,
Thanks for your stopping by and reading, a...Anon.,<br /><br />Thanks for your stopping by and reading, as well as taking a moment to comment. #6 deals with the whole issue that many feel they cannot, or dare not do what Jesus commanded 2000 years ago. They must first receive permission (or blessing) from a human authority. Jesus word on the matter doesn't seem to be quite enough. <br /><br />I agree that we should not have a 'lone ranger' mentality which rebels against accountability, and denotes a bit of arrogance. In our own context we willingly submit to one another, seek one another's advice and counsel, meet together, teach one another, and share with one another our questions/victories/fears/difficulties, etc. But our 'covering' as such is not a pastor, church, denomination or organization. It is Christ himself. He is our covering. To Him we must give our first accounting for what we do or not do. Hope this helps clarify a bit what we are trying to share.J. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-73335669477537972782010-12-20T20:52:32.833-05:002010-12-20T20:52:32.833-05:00All those were great comments except #6 concerned ...All those were great comments except #6 concerned me. Every successful church plant should have a "covering" = meaning a well seasoned Christian or better yet church to watch over the affairs to make sure things are done decently and in order. And also what are your motives for starting a church? If it is out of rebellion, resentment or bitterness to your current church, then your work will never be a success.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-7444538962425680892008-03-08T23:06:00.000-05:002008-03-08T23:06:00.000-05:00Hi, my name is Joe Miller. Given your experience w...Hi, my name is Joe Miller. Given your experience with church planting, I thought you might be able to provide some insight from your experience in church planting.<BR/><BR/>I am currently a church planter, and am doing some work on my Doctor of Ministry project through Talbot School of Theology. My project is focused on developing missional teams for church planting. I thought you might be willing to help by taking a short survey to share your expertise. <BR/><BR/>If you can help, please visit my website with details and the link to this 5 minute survey <A HREF="http://www.elnews.net/survey/Welcome.html" REL="nofollow">HERE</A>.<BR/><BR/>I will keep an eye out for the results.<BR/><BR/>Thanks and God bless,<BR/><BR/>Joe<BR/><BR/>----------------------------------<BR/>www.MoreThanCake.orgAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00772168718321735432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-61779727722322089232007-05-07T09:13:00.000-05:002007-05-07T09:13:00.000-05:00Strider,Thanks for the kind words. You have a stro...Strider,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the kind words. You have a strong point with the Bible being the ONLY material to be relied upon. <BR/><BR/>What we found though, in our context, is that there are good aids out there (like the Jesus film.) We view these as "tools" that assist us in doing the job. Depending upon what needs to be accomplished, one chooses the appropriate tool. We try to expose our people to a few basic tools (available materials) that will assist them. Of course, the Bible is the main tool. All the othes simply draw from the Scriptures.<BR/><BR/>Next to the Bible, probably the tool that is most appreciated by our folks is the song book and accompanying CDs that go along with it. People here love to sing, and this has been a great tool which is something completely in harmony with their culture and way of life.<BR/><BR/>Other tools we expose our people to are videos, discipleship courses (eg. Experiencing God), EvangeCubeJ. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-34417749095660753052007-05-07T08:50:00.000-05:002007-05-07T08:50:00.000-05:00Great post Guy. The big one resonating with me is...Great post Guy. The big one resonating with me is the materials one. We have said for a long time that the Bible is the ONLY material we will rely on. Showing a Jesus film once in a while is ok but only the Bible is our authority and guide. Materials are way too often crutches for the CPer rather than aids for the disciples. We need to handle the Word well. <BR/>Thanks for again for your ability to outline these principles so well. Your blog is invaluable.Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07347436154893544535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-81318719848598871602007-05-06T22:51:00.000-05:002007-05-06T22:51:00.000-05:00Tim,My understanding of the "one thing" is Mary's ...Tim,<BR/><BR/>My understanding of the "one thing" is Mary's choosing to sit at the Lord's feet, listening to what Jesus was saying. Listening to the Master comes first before busying ourselves with doing. <BR/><BR/>I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. How do you understand the "one thing is needed" that Jesus said to Martha?J. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-15032679723316800662007-05-06T22:27:00.000-05:002007-05-06T22:27:00.000-05:00Guy,What is that "one thing" Jesus is referring to...Guy,<BR/><BR/>What is that "one thing" Jesus is referring to in His answer to Martha? I think I know what you will say... but want to hear more of your perspective.Tim Pattersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10768629404208079229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-5547790997999126832007-05-06T21:12:00.000-05:002007-05-06T21:12:00.000-05:00Daniel,Gracias por tus palabras. Uno aprende algo ...Daniel,<BR/><BR/>Gracias por tus palabras. Uno aprende algo nuevo todos los dias al abrir los ojos a lo que Dios hace a nuestro alrededor.J. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-15716499225637229932007-05-06T19:09:00.000-05:002007-05-06T19:09:00.000-05:00Creo que cada lección que comparte es desde todo p...Creo que cada lección que comparte es desde todo punto de vista inobjetable. Y sobre todo porque la experiencia avala cada concepto.<BR/>¡Bendiciones!. <BR/>DanielAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-82512175544733540402007-05-06T10:07:00.000-05:002007-05-06T10:07:00.000-05:00Tim,As I see it, part of the problem stems from th...Tim,<BR/><BR/>As I see it, part of the problem stems from the fact that most M's trying to be church planting catalysts are highly trained, intellectual types. We thrive on reading all the latest books, theories, etc. and then want to pass on all this stuff to those we are training. <BR/><BR/>The idea of "less is more" eludes us simply because, for us, "more is more." The more conferences I attend, books I read, the better prepared I am. Not so. We need to remember Jesus words to Martha about her being preoccupied about many thing, but Mary had chosen that "one thing" which was truly important.J. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-88948931853052421842007-05-05T21:42:00.000-05:002007-05-05T21:42:00.000-05:00Guy,Thanks for sharing these lessons and valuable ...Guy,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for sharing these lessons and valuable insights.<BR/><BR/>The one that hits me is: "Almost every mistake we have made in the church planting process can be boiled down to our making things more complicated than people can actually handle."<BR/><BR/>Amen to that! That simple DNA that will reproduce healthy disciples, leaders and churches over and over again seems to elude us. <BR/><BR/>I think we need to post more about that DNA.Tim Pattersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10768629404208079229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-48369538221601174332007-05-04T16:41:00.000-05:002007-05-04T16:41:00.000-05:00Krow, Larry, wtjeff,SAM,Thanks to each of you for ...Krow, Larry, wtjeff,SAM,<BR/><BR/>Thanks to each of you for stopping by and sharing a word. It has taken years, in some cases, to figure some of these points out. Our work is a hodge podge of all kinds of strange looking "ekklesias" that tend to mirror the lessons shared in this post as they are put into practice.<BR/><BR/>A ninth lesson learned is that out in the real world of church planting, things usually end up quite differently than intended! <BR/><BR/>Sometimes I wish people would follow more of a SOP for church planting. We try to teach a clear, concise method for church planting, but in the long run they always end up looking quite differently than we would have envisioned.J. Guy Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17751691713410311094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-64532928691219436362007-05-04T14:10:00.000-05:002007-05-04T14:10:00.000-05:00I'm keeping all these points in mind for going int...I'm keeping all these points in mind for going into the field. The just do it one seems to be the best one for me. Just like Paul he didn't wait until everything was perfect to plant a church. When the Spirt of the Lord hits you, obey what it directs you to do. Just have and open heart for what He has planned for you. This has taken a lot of growing for me to understand this concept. This is the reason I read your stuff, Guy. You give me much to think about and learn from. Thanks for the advice and leadership, and keep it coming!<BR/>SAMS.A.M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07477542022662463975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-71532321000620702442007-05-04T11:28:00.000-05:002007-05-04T11:28:00.000-05:00The "authority" point resonates with me most. I w...The "authority" point resonates with me most. I work for a baptist association. It seems we focus so much on what other people think that we don't get anything done. Jesus has all the authority and He said "go". That should settle it.WTJeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04763127370356345182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-16491855740289372782007-05-04T10:06:00.000-05:002007-05-04T10:06:00.000-05:00Number 4 - "Just do it" - seems to be what most of...Number 4 - "Just do it" - seems to be what most of us need to hear. Thanks.West Coast Awakeninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05305489391844447675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23191203.post-31178267113982725712007-05-04T07:33:00.000-05:002007-05-04T07:33:00.000-05:00thanks for the encouraging post. as someone who is...thanks for the encouraging post. as someone who is looking at church planting you have shown paths around roadblocks with this post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com